Supernatural: This Show Wants You To be a Samgirl

How can you say that Dean is a quitter after everything he has done through the seasons? I see a strong character, most intruiging tv character ever - who has been able to fight in order to saving people. Even with everything going on this season he has been able to fight, however, he is at the end of his rope, but that doesn`t make him a quitter!

That he consider saying yes to Michael, doesn`t show a man giving up. He is still about saving people. What other solutions are there, but saying yes? So far, none!

And why should everything Dean does center round Sam? Because Dean is the only one that keep Sam going Dean mustn`t say yes? WTF... Didn`t Sam want to be responsible for his own actions?

And as for Sam fighting for Dean while he was in hell, that lasted for a couple of weeks right, before it all became revenge, not a noble motive IMO.

Sam left family business, and didn`t want to fight in season 1. Dean never left. And he still hasn`t!

I agree with what you said about Jensen, however. He is megatalented!!

They've been trying way back since season 1. Unfortunately for them, Dean is just way too awesome for me to ever give his little bro more than a cursory look... enough to be put off again by his condescension and self-centeredness... before I go running back to Dean.

I guess I don't find Dean and Sam's choices to be as similar as you do. Sam saying yes to Lucifer isn't even an option... it would be damning the world to Hell. Dean saying yes, however, will save people from Hell. It's a more complex decision, because it can actually be a good tactic (as you admit). Why would anyone expect him to be as against it as Sam is against saying yes to Lucifer? It's not the same decision at all. If you're trying to say Sam is stronger because of that, I'm afraid I don't follow your logic at all. And I certainly don't follow your logic that Dean should've behaved, after forty years of torture, precisely the same way an un-tortured individual behaved, or that such behavior would've been strong. Sam was anything BUT strong last season. And in the third season, strength would've been letting his little brother damn his soul by using the powers just to save his own life? Yeah, I ain't buying that one, either.

There's nothing wrong with being a Sam fan, but don't try to sell me that Dean's a quitter because he doesn't drink demon blood, f**k demons who cackle gleefully about his brother's torture, condemn his brother to save himself, strangle his brother because he got called a name, or have the same easy choice that Sam has this season in saying no to Lucifer. Fighting can be strong, or it can be reckless and for your own pride rather than for the good of others. But you ALWAYS have to be strong to endure, and enduring is what Dean does better than anyone else on this show.

I realized my Sam/Dean real problem: Dean's a quitter. Sam's a fighter.

I disagree entirely with that statement. Going off to Aruba to live in a hut build of coconuts and ignore the apocalypse would be quitting.

Dean is still fighting. He is just worn down enough to come to the the conclusion that Michael might be the only course of action left with a success chance.

I also can't identify with the title of the article. I thought the show would want the audience to embrace and root for both lead heroes in the story. Yes, I fall into the territory of prefering Dean and I always will. No matter what "show" supposedly wants.

I think this is a classic case of the show telling us one thing and showing us another. The writers do this all the time on Supernatural and mostly to it's prop up Sam at Dean's expense. So I really can't disagree with your headline even though I think your basic thesis is flawed.

You've got Sam, Bobby and Cas all characterizing Dean's choice as quitting. But you've got 17 episodes showing why Dean choosing to say yes to Michael is potentially the only course of action that he can take. Other possible solutions like the Colt or God's intervention, have failed with a capital F and nobody seems to have any other ideas.

Is saying yes to Michael a perfect choice? Of course not. But at this point it seems to be the best of a lot of really bad ones. If Dean weas quitting, he would be on a tropical beech in a banana hammock, sipping Margaritas. Instead he is considering sacrificing himself to save as many people and their souls, as he can.

Also why does Sam need Dean to stop him from saying no to Lucifer if he's so strong and never a quitter? He has a billion times less reason to be tempted to say yes to Lucifer than Dean does to say yes to Michael. There is no upside with saying yes to Lucifer so why is this even a consideration for Sam? Does he have that weak a moral center that he needs big brother there to stop him from giving in to the biggest bad of all who wants to destroy humanity and bring Hell to earth? I'm really not seeing how Sam is stronger, smarter or a better hunter even if he and the show keep telling us that's what we're supposed to believe.

Now if you just prefer Padalecki's chiseled pecs to Ackles', well that's a whole different ballgame.

I disagree with you completely. Dean is not quitting, he is continuing to fight. He has a decision to make, whether to say yes or no, he can' just do nothing. Neither the show or Sam/Bobby/Castiel have shown any reason why Dean should not say yes. Sure, people will die, but people will die if Dean says no, and people are dying now while Dean is trying to decide. It's been 8 months and they haven't found another option, so how long do you drag this out? How long do you let people die while Dean decides? They had a year to find something so that Dean didn't go to Hell, but they couldn't find a way out. Why do you think this time will be any different? Dean thinks enough time has been wasted, and a decision needs to be made now. That's not quitting.

Also, is Sam so weak that he can't say no to Lucifer? Why put more guilt and burden on Dean?

Dean Weak?

Those two words are an oxymoron if I ever heard one. His whole life Dean has been fighting, hurt, physically and mentally by those he cares about. He endured 30 years of the worst torture imaginable, is facing impossible odds in a battle he has no hope of winning. Is a constant source of support for his loved one, despite the fact that they do nothing to support him. Yet he still keeps fighting.

He's a rock bottom, having to drink himself to oblivion to even get a couple hours sleep yet he still keeps fighting.

His decision to say yes to Michael, is about fighting. To Kill Lucifer. He sees no other option and saying No is not stopping people from dying.

Lucifer hasn't even gotten started yet. Wouldn't saying yes no, while Lucifer is so weak make the most sense?

Seriously what is Dean supposed to do because he's caught between a rock and a hard place.

Say no, and he's blamed if millions of people die
Say yes, and he's blamed if millions of people die.

It's not a decision I would want to make. If Dean was a quiter he's be holded up at Lisa's playing house. Yet he's trying to do the right thing and save people in a no win situation.

Weak or quitter is the last word that would come to mind when I think of Dean Winchester.

LOL, well Dean is a quitter and Sam is a fighter? All Sam has to do is say no to Lucifer, that shouldn't be hard with anyone with 1/2 a brain. Dean saying yes would destroy most of mankind; Dean saying no would destroy all of it. So, really, where is the easy choice there?

Dean never quit on Sam, yet Sam's quit on Dean quite a few times, and he even admitted it to himself in When The Levee Breaks.

Sam went after Lilith out of revenge and because Ruby was stoking his ego big time, that's not a fighter, that's just a fool. Dean never quit on Sam then either and kept trying to save his brother.

Really, I have no idea what you consider a quitter and a fighter, but Sam's problem is, he fights against his brother who has never quit on him, and never fights against those who make him feel good about himself, because Sam is too weak to face his own faults.

Better get your dictionary out and look up the words strong and weak.

Also, I agree. The show has been trying to turn us into Samfans from day one, but Dean is the one that brings the life to the show and Dean is the one that I will never quit on.

I disagree with you. When a particular strategy isn't working in a war, it's time to change the strategy and that's what Dean is doing. Dean didn't want to say yes, because it was giving up free will, but right now, they are running out of time and souls. He says no, he is damning a lot of people to hell, he says yes, maybe there's a chance. And it's really illogical to compare Sam's decision with Dean's. If Sam has even half a brain, he knows that saying yes to Lucifer is wrong. But in Dean's case, it's a lot more complicated.
Your reasoning was contradictory, you say you understand Dean's choice, because there's no other option, yet you say, Dean's a quitter.This decision wasn't easy for Dean, he's sacrificing his free will, his body to be used a meatsuit.
About the show, they have been trying since day one, to make us Sam fans, yet it's Dean who is the heart and soul of the show. I would have quit this show long ago, if not for Dean. It's Dean and Jensen's phenomenal acting that bring me back to this show every week, in spite of my complaints.

I love both Dean and Sam equally. They are different yet they complete each other. Can't think who is better and who is brave and who is weak. I mean every action they take is justifiable somehow.
Dean has the right to give up after his last encounter in heaven. He feels abandoned again by a figure that he believed in. Sam on the other hand is looking for redemption and trying to make things right so he could be absolved of all his sins.
In the end i love both equally and the show is awesome because you have two main characters that are complex and rich.

Did you forget about when Sam quit at the beginning of Season 5? He walked away from hunting completely. And if you can justify that with "Oh, but poor Sam had been through so much - what, with the choosing a demon over his own brother and letting Lucifer free", then surely Dean's plight is understandable. Yeah, Dean's not perfect these days, but Sam has never had the same weight placed on his shoulders. Take off the Sam goggles, lady.

Wow. You must be desperate for hits because I don't think even a diehard Samgirl would call Dean a quitter, but since you want them that badly that you're willing to look ignorant, here it is.

Dean is strong. He keeps fighting even when he is attacked by friends and family. He didn`t quit on Sam even after the brutal words and bohoing in Sex and violence from Sam. He didn`t quit on Bobby after Bobbys princess and boho rant in LR. - That Dean stayed and kept fighting makes him the strongest character in SPN as I see it. But of course he is depressed - what normal person wouldn`t be!

Dean has been in this fight, and fought so hard, even while dealing with Hell. Now he's come to the point where GOD has said He wasn't going to help. They've been trying to find a way to stop this for months, and Dean has seen (in "The End") what will happen if he doesn't act. So either some people die if he lets Michael use his body, or everyone dies when Lucifer comes to power. How long does he wait - and how many people die in the meantime - before he says yes? Either he clings to his stubbornness and defiance in saying no, or he says yes before everyone dies, before Lucifer takes Sam.

Sam has spent his whole life quitting, running away, so for you to hold him up as a paragon makes me wonder whether you actually watch the show or are simply incredibly myopic. Maybe I shouldn't even be posting here, because that kinda justifies your apparent desire to get people to your forum by posting something so wildly one-sided. Well, you're entitled to your lopsided opinion. This is one SPN fan who won't be reading your thoughts.

I agree with some of the things you have said. I have been saying I want Dean to say yes since 'sympathy for the devil' and maybe Dean appears to be a quitter but he needs to do it. Dean has had a tough life not just of late, but ever since season 1. A bro who only thinks of himself, a dad who put the weight of the world on his shoulders since he was little, he lost his mother, and sold his soul to save his bro, been to hell(and back), found out that same bro betrayed him big time by taking sides with a demon, need I go on. And he has never given up. Maybe he has been broken down but wouldn't you. This boy needs a break throwen at him but yet again he is bent over and a fire hose has been shoved where the sun don't shine. Sam left home(several times), whines and moans about absolutely everything, argued constantly with John and continues to do so with Dean, told Dean he was the reason he joined Ruby because he wanted to get away from him. OK I am a Dean girl but with good reason. So I say let him say yes to Michael he deserves the break. oh I thought Lisa and Ben were a good reason for him to say yes. Dean wants a "normal" life we know this from season 2 WIAWSNB and season 3 DALDOM. But fair dues to you but I will never abandon Dean no matter what he decides.

Wow. Do we even watch the same show? Seriously? You couldn't be more off base without having watched the show with blinders and ear plugs.

The show has shown quite clearly why Dean is ready to say yes...as already outlined by the other people commenting. At this point, it would seem rather selfish if Dean DIDN'T say yes--unless they, by some miracle, can come up with a real viable alternate plan--which they haven't yet.

And look at how many times Sam has bailed and sneaked around? He's always giving up. I think perhaps Dean is due a break in comparison.

No, I don't think the show wants me to be a Sam girl...but I do think your article wants me to hate Sam...because reading this sure doesn't win him any points.

Your article sucks but the comments are AWEsome.

I love Sam and Dean both equally. Neither of the boys have had easy choices in their life. Both faced from a young age the true nature of the world. Sam wanted to be normal all his life and Dean embraced the life. But lately Both have had their share of crap throwen at them. Sam made some really bad decisions but so did Dean. This put a large strain on their relationship, and through it all they always come back together. Both have lost their faith in each other but in the end their love for each other will prevail. Family always stand by each other no matter how much they may hate what they may have done or become. Both have gave up at some point during the show but when faced with the ultimate bad guy they come together stronger than ever. I am a member of team Winchester and will always love both boys the same even when they make bad choices thats what real fans of the show do.

The total reversal of characters from the beginning of the series is interesting, with Dean now the one nursing fantasies of domestic life and Sam the one who's in the s**t come what may. Since they spelled it out to us that Dean's dead inside though, it's no shocker. I miss season 1 fun Dean, but that was back when he thought death was the worst that could happen to him. I've no doubt that he'd jump right off a bridge if he thought that would help anything, but since we know it won't, I guess it's quittin' time. In this case, quitting being the only option left, blah blah, but still.

I say this every spring now, but seriously: how are they gonna write their way out of this next season?